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Feral Finster's avatar

1. The US/Israeli goal in Iran is to turn Iran into a failed state, much like what was done to Iraq, Libya and Syria. Israel in particular saw its window of opportunity closing and sought to drag the Americans into their war.

I don't know why you think that it is absurd that Israel is using Epstein (or others like him) to get leverage over Trump. Trump hardly acts like a man who has nothing to hide here. Epstein's connections with the Israeli security establishment are pretty hard to ignore, even from the limited and bowdlerized documents that have been made public.

Even Joe Kent alluded to this, when he commented on the subservience of the Administration to Israel. This raises the question - why?

If the United States truly did not want to be dragged into its ostensible client's war, Trump need simply tell the Israelis, loudly and publicly, that if they persist in starting a fight, they are on their own. The United States will not ride to the rescue. Netanyahu can cry, he can throw a tantrum, but what? Trump is no longer up for re-election.

Unless, of course, there is a reason that Trump, Epstein's one-time BFF, cannot do so.

2. More likely than Option 3 - the United States and/or Israel resort to nuclear weapons.

Along those lines, Iran was foolish not to have gotten The Bomb when they could have. The Americans respect only force.

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So this is pretty good, and I mean not to quibble, but I think most people are operating with limited information when it comes to the missile launches.

For one thing, Iran is huge and mountainous, so it was never possible with the assets available to cover Iran sufficiently to seriously degrade the TELs. Hundreds of fighters even with isr are not going to be able to meaningfully attrit the amount of launchers claimed, especially in the mountains as the geographic area is just too enormous.

It must also be noted that a TEL is not super complicated to build, and no doubt Iran probably has closer to thousands than hundreds.

There are also numerous videos now showing many launches being carried out from random spots on the ground where the missile is covered only by a small amount of soil. How many of these are there? No way to tell.

Finally, the eastern missile bases and the eastern region has hardly launched anything. Mostly it is the western and central commanders firing off mrbms. Of the active ones Israel has constantly claimed to take them out, only for launches to resume later.

Israel and the united states do not, and did not have the ability to degrade the strike systems of Iran, and basically have not made any more a meaningful dent in the Iranian strike capacity than they did in the 12 day war.

Now why was there a large spread of strikes during the first two days that quickly fell off? Well as everyone is well aware, Iran's isr is heavily dependent on China and to a lesser extent Russia. The initial wave caused everyone to turn on their radars and reveal nearly all interception and detection systems, which usually do not move around much.

Since then, Iran has consistently launched strikes at everything that lit up during those days, and has had spectacular success. The Israelis are viciously lying and censoring everything, but even then the truth eventually comes out and all these open areas missiles are falling into coincidentally had important assets there.

The Iranians are also waging psychological warfare- the north of Israel is being evacuated, and there has hardly been an hour without the sounds of sirens and explosions everywhere in Israel.

Our force posture also suggests that we have done little of what Pete has claimed: Iran still has air defense that keeps overflights from happening - nearly all videos and pictures from the US show bombers armed with jassms because Iran still had numerous radar, including oth, that function and numerous ad batteries.

The naval forces which have been blown up 10x already have clearly had enough success to force our csgs away from the coast.

So Iran is in firm control of where the war ends, with the epstein axis committed to loud, showy spectacle that is instead turning into a slow moving slog, where the end result can only be what Iran wants, even if their visible and charismatic command structure is constantly being threatened.

And remember, Iran has hardly launched any cruise missiles or drones in proportion to their speculated inventories, and Iran's missile stockpile, if estimates are to be believed are still enormous.

(EDIT: finally got back to a desktop to fix some spelling mistakes.)

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